102. Terry Dodson, Steve Lieber & Learning to Use Reference

The boys chat with legendary artists Terry Dodson and Steve Lieber. Unfortunately for you listeners, Steve's table was placed right next to a big ol' Wheel of Fortune and Jason underestimated how much it would come through. However, Steve was so knowledgeable and great that we had to include it. In the back half of the show, they're talking all about why you should stop killing yourself and just use reference.

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